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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:19:00 -
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Thanks CCP and I hope you never do take the sand box out of the game. |
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:38:00 -
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I guess If I have a question for CCP.
Where exactly is the line? |
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:05:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:What should be a matter of serious concern to us all, is that the forums are far more entertaining than the actual game play.
Mining Veldsar just cannot compare to the forums for excitement and attempts personality ganking.
All the "meta" aspects of the game are more entertaining. EVE on its surface is a terribly uninteresting game. But when you have a collision of personas and narratives, and the meta game is being played in forums, news sites, comms what have you. Thats when the real beauty of EVE is on display.
This game is more about cultivating a persona and finding your place in the universe than it will ever be about shooting red crosses, or mining rocks...because frankly limiting yourself to just that you may as well play minecraft alone in your room.
EVEs beauty is the meta, not its gameplay. |
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:14:00 -
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Morihei Akachi wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Indeed. It's fairly safe to say that I've grown. Do I agree that people should harass, insult and bully other people? No, I most certainly do not. But CCP have made it 100% clear that people should HTFU. Now they pull a complete 180 on that, not to protect an individual, but to buckle to public pressure. GǪ I think CCP are less concerned about "protecting" SohkarGÇöhow could they be? that story is overGÇöthan they are about preventing this happening again to anyone else.
It will happen again, and it will happen the next time after that, and it will be handled by CCP case by case, as it should be. It should not be up to the community to call for blood because a guy like Ripard Teg decided to write a blog post about a month old issue to "win" a personal vendetta against an individual.
I am curious as to if Sohkar, or any other bonus room candidate has ever filed a complaint with CCP stating they were harassed. I am not entitled to know, but I am curious. |
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:25:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:In general, where are we drawing the line, here? I answered this question a few pages page. The short answer is that the person controlling the situation has the responsibility to see that it doesn't go too far. I assume that you're sufficiently intelligent to determine when you're about to push someone over the line. This most specifically does not include in game actions: if someone goes into a screaming meltdown because you blew his ship up, then too bad for him. If you continue to interact with him and goad him for no reason other than to goad him, then you're in the red zone. Scam all you like. Gank all you like. Spy all you like. Awox all you like. Excercise judgement & discretion when rubbing salt into the wound afterwards. Is that so hard to understand?
Ya but thats the thing. My line could be a tiny dot compared to someone like you (hypothetically of course) My judgement says, singing a bunch of songs while being scammed is fine. The victim of the scam must realize they have been had. Should responsibility also not fall up on them to say when enough is enough.
That is what is arbitrary about it and why we had 380 page thread (400 including this) discussing the "line". We all don't have the same limits on what and what is not considered harassment.
If I gank the same miner a dozen times in a night because he hasn't learned how to defend himself, or go find a different place...I see that as taking advantage of someone who is being a moron repeatedly, he might consider it griefing and harassment.
Which one of us is right? There are hundreds of systems he can mine in, and nothing prevents me from killing him every time he undocks. Should I have to say, well I killed him 11 times already I guess ill let him go the 12th time just incase he says im harassing him?
Or does it only apply to TS related things, and at what point does it become the "victims" responsibility to remove themselves from a situation they may find uncomfortable.
We can draw arbitrary lines all over the sandbox. It would be nice to know at what point we reach the limits of the sandbox, so EVERYONE knows where that line is, otherwise it amounts to personal opinion, and that changes from me to you, to the next guy, even CCP Employees have differing individual opinions. |
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:34:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Malcanis wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:In general, where are we drawing the line, here? I answered this question a few pages page. The short answer is that the person controlling the situation has the responsibility to see that it doesn't go too far. I assume that you're sufficiently intelligent to determine when you're about to push someone over the line. This most specifically does not include in game actions: if someone goes into a screaming meltdown because you blew his ship up, then too bad for him. If you continue to interact with him and goad him for no reason other than to goad him, then you're in the red zone. Scam all you like. Gank all you like. Spy all you like. Awox all you like. Excercise judgement & discretion when rubbing salt into the wound afterwards. Is that so hard to understand? Ya but thats the thing. My line could be a tiny dot compared to someone like you (hypothetically of course) My judgement says, singing a bunch of songs while being scammed is fine. The victim of the scam must realize they have been had. Should responsibility also not fall up on them to say when enough is enough. That is what is arbitrary about it and why we had 380 page thread (400 including this) discussing the "line". We all don't have the same limits on what and what is not considered harassment. If I gank the same miner a dozen times in a night because he hasn't learned how to defend himself, or go find a different place...I see that as taking advantage of someone who is being a moron repeatedly, he might consider it griefing and harassment. Which one of us is right? There are hundreds of systems he can mine in, and nothing prevents me from killing him every time he undocks. Should I have to say, well I killed him 10 times already I guess ill let him go the 11th time just incase he says im harassing him? Or does it only apply to TS related things, and at what point does it become the "victims" responsibility to remove themselves from a situation they may find uncomfortable. We can draw arbitrary lines all over the sandbox. It would be nice to know at what point we reach the limits of the sandbox, so EVERYONE knows where that line is, otherwise it amounts to personal opinion, and that changes from me to you, to the next guy, even CCP Employees have differing individual opinions. You are asking for the impossible. Myself for example, I have never raged at anybody when I have a lost a ship, I haven't even gotten remotely upset because to me its all just space pixels. Other people might rage at getting ganked in a ship worth only a few million. Myself I see the line where if I am repeating ganking or killing the same person over and over again and they completely flip out and start to rage, scream, swearing, calling me every name under the sun in local then I would back off and report him. If my objective was to make him cry a river of tears then I win, why continue to goad him even more?
Its not impossible.
You can't do this. If we find out you have you are gone.
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Posted - 2014.03.28 22:36:00 -
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A lot of snide comments and slanderous remarks being directed at Erotica 1, why if id say there are quite a few folks harassing this individual who has already received punishment for his actions. |
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:55:00 -
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Klyith wrote:But given that this announcement is not just about Erotica1, I strongly care about whether CCP wrote:clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment can be interpreted without a claim of harassment by a presumptive victim. A denial by that person that they felt harassed makes it difficult!
Doesn't matter, CSM Ripard Teg started a fire in the MMO community and CCP had to pour water on the burn. They probably gave Erotica1 a ban and will allow him to resurface on one of his other accounts unbeknownst to the community as a whole outside his friends.
Ripard got his wish, CCP puts out a fire, and Erotoca1 comes back in a few weeks when the community is back to Grring Goons and Gankers.
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Posted - 2014.03.29 00:16:00 -
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Anomaly One wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Klyith wrote:But given that this announcement is not just about Erotica1, I strongly care about whether CCP wrote:clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment can be interpreted without a claim of harassment by a presumptive victim. A denial by that person that they felt harassed makes it difficult! Doesn't matter, CSM Ripard Teg started a fire in the MMO community and CCP had to pour water on the burn. They probably gave Erotica1 a ban and will allow him to resurface on one of his other accounts unbeknownst to the community as a whole outside his friends. Ripard got his wish, CCP puts out a fire, and Erotoca1 comes back in a few weeks when the community is back to Grring Goons and Gankers. the final weird part here is that CCP actually (permanent) banned someone on account of a month old issue raised by riptard's hate propaganda.
Eh assuming he is permabanned. None of us can know for sure, the only ones who know are CCP and Erotica1 heck Erotica1 may not even know. CCP could simply have a 2 week ban, a 1 month ban, a 3 month ban. Heck could even just be a 24 hour ban.
But this is certainly due to Ripard Teg there is no doubt about that. Pretty shameful imho. He must have lost a bonus round at some point. He seemed to have a great deal of understanding of it having never actually talked to anyone who participated in a Bonus Round.
I wonder how many assets Erotica1 got of him, and what songs he had to sing while he gave them away willingly. |
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Posted - 2014.03.29 00:33:00 -
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The fact is Ripard Teg stepped out of line by instigating and encouraging a "witch hunt". He wrote a blog story in which he publicly harassed an individual of this community, and shared that story with the broader MMO community. Not once did he as Sohkar for his opinion on his experience, nor did he ask other past Bonus Room clients, this was solely his own vendetta against a player of this community who had without CCP involvement of any kind done this same thing to hundreds of people for nearly a year.
If this was truly a case of harassment and stepping outside the lines, then where was the ban, or warning about such things a A month ago when this particular incident was first shared with the community, 3 months ago, 6 months ago, a year ago?
Yet I am sure Ripard Teg is free of his involvement in this, he is freed of his harassment of both Erotica1 and Sohkar, whom was ejected from his corporation not because of "The Bonus Room" but because Ripard Teg put him into the public spotlight.
Frankly I think the most disgusting part of this is that a representative of this community took it upon himself to be judge jury and executioner, when that should solely lie with CCP, and only be implemented when a member of the community asks them to investigate an issue.
By all rights this scenario should have been between the Client, CCP and Erotica1, not Ripard Teg, not his Jesters Trek Blog, not the MMO community, and certainly not the numerous White Knights who mounted their horses and marched off to a 400 page threadnaught calling for heads to roll.
If anyone should be banned for this it should be Ripard Teg, and his clear button pushing that has impacted Sohkar far more than anything Erotica1 did, the game moving forward for him is now forever changed, because Ripard wanted to settle a personal vendetta. |
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Posted - 2014.03.29 00:44:00 -
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olan2005 wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:The fact is Ripard Teg stepped out of line by instigating and encouraging a "witch hunt". He wrote a blog story in which he publicly harassed an individual of this community, and shared that story with the broader MMO community. Not once did he ask Sohkar for his opinion on his experience, nor did he ask other past Bonus Room clients, this was solely his own vendetta against a player of this community who had without CCP involvement of any kind done this same thing to hundreds of people for nearly a year.
If this was truly a case of harassment and stepping outside the lines, then where was the ban, or warning about such things a A month ago when this particular incident was first shared with the community, 3 months ago, 6 months ago, a year ago?
Yet I am sure Ripard Teg is free of his involvement in this, he is freed of his harassment of both Erotica1 and Sohkar, whom was ejected from his corporation not because of "The Bonus Room" but because Ripard Teg put him into the public spotlight.
Frankly I think the most disgusting part of this is that a representative of this community took it upon himself to be judge jury and executioner, when that should solely lie with CCP, and only be implemented when a member of the community asks them to investigate an issue.
By all rights this scenario should have been between the Client, CCP and Erotica1, not Ripard Teg, not his Jesters Trek Blog, not the MMO community, and certainly not the numerous White Knights who mounted their horses and marched off to a 400 page threadnaught calling for heads to roll.
If anyone should be banned for this it should be Ripard Teg, and his clear button pushing that has impacted Sohkar far more than anything Erotica1 did, the game moving forward for him is now forever changed, because Ripard wanted to settle a personal vendetta. So shouldnt this guy get banned? He's torturing Erotica by denying him the ability to play ITS CCP who was the ultimate judge and executioner. Riptard simply brought it to everyone attention . And people reacted based on their views and opinions of acceptable behavior. CCP did the same
No he put the fire into everyone. Anyone who has actually followed this game, or been active in the community, or posts on the forums has seen not 1 but literally dozens of Bonus Room shamings. This is not a new thing, it has been going on for a year, and it has only become an issue now, after Ripard Teg took it upon himself to vilify a member of the community for his own personal gratification.
Do you think Ripard cares about Sohkar? I don't. If he did he would have asked Sohkars thoughts on the subject, he would have asked if Sohkar thought it was ok for him to write about his experience, he would have asked Sohkar if it was ok with him that he would be thrust into the community limelight.
But he didn't, he punched up at least 3 different stories about this, without once asking Sohkar's opinion, nor for his consent in rehashing a month old experience.
If you think Ripard had "the best interests of the community at heart" you are kidding yourself. The only thing Ripard cares about is page views and vindication. |
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Posted - 2014.03.29 00:50:00 -
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Ssieth wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Right, just dont publish it and youre good to go. Oh, also; brain **** your target so they wont tell on you. As has been stated every time this argument has come up so far on this thread, not getting caught _probably_ is a good way not to get punished. Not doing anything that you can be caught doing is probably the best way of not getting caught.
For this to be true you must first assume you have done nothing wrong. Considering this particular case the numerous posts here on EVEO went unpunished. Ergo, it wasn't an issue. The soundclips of dozens of bonus rooms have been shared here, yet only now after a year it is a problem.
What has changed since then?
Well Ripard Teg blogged about it...
Thats it as far as I can tell.
Maybe Sohkar did go to CCP, maybe others did to, maybe this was the straw that broke the camels back. But I don't think CCP would operate like that, I am sure if that were the case Erotica1 would have been warned about the potential violation of the rules.
Ultimately we have a witch hunt scenario, that has succeeded in vilifying a community member, and CCP trying to save face with a weak open ended comment on it.
Either the rules have changed, or they haven't we don't really know, and won't until the next witch hunt. |
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Posted - 2014.03.29 01:00:00 -
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olan2005 wrote:Ripard Teg brought what was an unknown issue to people like myself and the wider community who do not necessarily use the official forums , and vast majority stated there dis-stain for such behavior. I do not interact with trade hub locals because i know its scam central. Therefore having not been scammed like many others who take precautions , i was unaware such action was taking place. Ripard Teg brought what i believe to be a immoral act in my opinion to light . That is all he did
Evidently most people agree about this being immoral . But its upto each person to decide this and CCP to make judgements about what they consider acceptable behavior in the community which they built and which they provide for us. They did end off story
And you don't think Ripard Tegs blog had anything to do with CCP's decision or their joint announcement with CSM?
Because that is what is the core issue, and has been since day 1 of this.
If CCP felt Erotica1 was deserving of a ban, why not a month ago? 3 months ago? 6 months ago? a year ago? Either its eerily similar timing, or it is clearly a decision made because of Ripards actions, and is serving to only appease the outrage.
As far as I can tell I can still take you into teamspeak, make you sing songs, coerce you into giving me all your things. That hasn't changed, so exactly what rule was violated? In the past month between this particular situation being posted on EVEO, and Ripard Tegs blog what has changed?
But I am sure the 400 page thread, and the negative remarks on MMO community sites following Ripards blog had nothing to do with CCP's decision. 
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Posted - 2014.03.29 01:03:00 -
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olan2005 wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:olan2005 wrote:Ripard Teg brought what was an unknown issue to people like myself and the wider community who do not necessarily use the official forums , and vast majority stated there dis-stain for such behavior. I do not interact with trade hub locals because i know its scam central. Therefore having not been scammed like many others who take precautions , i was unaware such action was taking place. Ripard Teg brought what i believe to be a immoral act in my opinion to light . That is all he did
Again... Kugutsumen. Same thing. Banned from the game, his name made to hit the swear word filter for SEVEN YEARS But yeah. Totally different. I gotta go to wal mart, ill brb. This is so fun tho I am unaware of what your talking about and would have to review the facts on this case before rendering an opinion. Bear in mind games, communities and people evolve and change over-time . With the serous advent of social media the internet is more prevalent in our lives. That is the reason rules and regs with regards to virtual inter-action now exist. What might have been unacceptable or acceptable seven years ago has changed in some instances . Its all about your point of view. And like it or not CCP point of view is a little clearer with this action. Whether you think that's good or bad is up-to you . Personally well done ripard teg for bringing this disgusting behavior to light. And to CCP you took your sweet time, but did what i believe to be in everyone interests , from my perspective
http://themittani.com/features/kugutsumencom-brief-history |
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Posted - 2014.03.29 01:14:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:olan2005 wrote:ok skimmed the mittani thread. THE T2 back then really annoyed me quit eve for a while as a result . CCP has changed a lot since then with regards to policies of in-game interactions and use by employees. But yes in that incident seven years ago CCP were in the wrong completely . Thank fully since then a lot has changed and with the internet being so widespread, CCP and other corporations cant sensor people without damn good reason .E.G i express disapproval of corporation A its fine
E.g i express hatred and state that poeple should attack said corporation (A) thats not and probably i would receive some form of punishment You will note that Kugu is still banned, despite being entirely in the right.
He was banned for leaking personal information, not for leaking the misdeeds. |
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Posted - 2014.03.29 01:31:00 -
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Ya thanks alot Kugu for giving us the CSM. If it wasn't for you Ripard Teg wouldn't have abused his position, Erotica1 wouldn't have been banned for keeping Sohkar up, causing him to be unable to control planes effectively resulting in that Malaysian Plane disappearing.
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Posted - 2014.03.29 01:39:00 -
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H aVo K wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:So... it this a thread to ***** for likes now? Both this one and the last one have only served that purpose, really.
Well trolling exercise too. |
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Darkopus wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Louis Robichaud wrote:
1: You pay EVE online to harvest tears? Interesting.
2: You are aware that real people play the game right? That a flesh and bone human being controls that rifter?
3: Ah, the curse of English as a second language strikes again! Or perhaps it's irony. The number of times I've seen someone criticizing someone's else "intellegence" (sic)... I guess it was bound to happen to me.
1: lol ppl that think my sig actually represents me 2: no; you are pixels. You are a ship. You are content in this game to me. If you get bitchy about what I do to your pixels, thats YOUR fault for forgetting this is first and foremost a game. you mean they way that sociopath and his sycophants forgot it was a game when they pulled their depraved **** on TS. Like that you mean. om nom nom, your sociopath tears, good they taste.....................
heh another who didn't listen to the recording.
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Posted - 2014.03.29 01:58:00 -
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Darkopus wrote:
mmmmm keep your tears coming I am noming lots of them today
Always a pleasure to feed the 6day old forum alts.
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Posted - 2014.03.29 03:20:00 -
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EVE Radio is quite interesting tonight.
Ripard Teg Refuses to go on the show with Erotica and Sohkar to discuss this. I wonder why? |
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Posted - 2014.03.29 03:45:00 -
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Awaiting Ripard Tegs comments. |
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Awaiting Ripard Tegs comments. Pretty sure the only thing we'll hear from him is some Mittens-level Smug, and then he'll duck the issue.
Sad but true, sad but true. |
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Posted - 2014.03.29 07:52:00 -
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Ban Ripard Teg!
That is all. |
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:49:00 -
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Darkopus wrote:
The problem is that the sociopaths of this game simply can't draw the line and think they are being clever in their sick games and then when CCP slats them out of the sand go all huffy. Now they come and cry tears saying they want clear definitions only to enable them to work out how they can circumvent them and continue there sick deranged games. Deal with it you tearful pubbies
You do know it is impossible to quantify someones psychological state through internet interaction right? You can't realistically call someone a sociopath, or psychopath, or psychotic based on their actions in game, or in places related to this game. Why? Acting.
In the real world im John Doe, in EVE I am Mario Putzo, when I play EVE I pretend to be an evil space pirate who feasts on tears of other players pretending to be whomever and whatever they want. In the RL I get paid to actually study peoples state of mind, and spent seven years in school to be able to do so.
You know what was one of the most repeated things in school? Don't judge people playing a character, judge them if that character consumes their identity. Since none of us actually have the capacity to know who in this game is actually consumed by their space identity or not, it is impossible to tell if anyone is psychotic.
Hope this helps. |
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Darkopus wrote:
so do you think that asking someone on coms to put mayo on their body is being in character or do you think this is just someone getting their rocks off at someone elses pain. What has that got to do with internet spaceships and what part of the game rules is that in ? Its called using common sense and its clear from the actions of some of these "Bonus Round" instigators that they have a very questionable state of mind, you don't need sigmuind freud to point that out unless you really have got a lot of tears in your eyes and can't see the forest for the trees.
Ive heard tale of much worse than putting mayo on oneself, or peanut butter. I would honestly say that without actually being able to sit down and talk with Erotica1 in a proper setting that, no this was not abnormal behavior. People as others to do silly stuff all the time with no lasting impact on eithers mental state.
Is someone crazy because they dare someone to drink a whole gallon of Chocolate Milk in one setting, only to watch their friend throw it all up moments after finishing? No. It is a joke. Is someone crazy because they write a ***** on someones head after they passed out from a night of hard drinking? No, it is a joke. Is someone crazy because they make a friend dress in drag for whatever occasion? No, they are British.(and that is a joke)
The fact is it is impossible for any of us to assume what anyone else's state of mind is based on actions on the internet. Its all a show, anonymity allows it to be a show.
It is irrelevant for me to even make these points however because you have already concluded that Erotica1s actions make him a sociopath or whatever it was you said. He might be, he probably isn't because sociopaths tend to have a hard time associating with others at all. This is common in most mentally ill individuals.
The fact that Erotica1 has as many online friends, and acquaintances as he does would lead me to believe he is of sound mental health, and simply does these things for jokes, as many many people do every single day. If he were truly a sociopath, or psychotic he would be unable to be sociable. He would be a socially awkward individual, with limited ability to function in a social setting...I think we can all see that this is not the case.
(note this isn't always the case some mentally ill people have been able to suppress the tendency to be socially awkward, but this is by and far the exception not the rule.) |
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:57:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:
Which do you think you are better at, internet law or internet psychiatry?
Probably the latter because I practice psychiatry for a living, but like I said, its almost impossible to quantify a persons mental state through the internet. Really to the point it is futile to even try. When one enters the realm of anonymity they can be whatever they want to be without it actually affecting their RL persona whatsoever.
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Posted - 2014.03.29 17:12:00 -
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I think its funny to see all these carebears going on about harvesting tears.
Just goes to show you it was never about keeping the community clean and all about "winning" an internet fight against the boogyman. |
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Posted - 2014.03.29 18:20:00 -
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Some language may be offensive view at own* risk.
*disclaimer.
And by own I mean you. I am not being responsible for your actions should you click on this link. I am not making you click it, you are clicking it. If you click that link you consent to the fact it was your own choice to do so and I in no way made you click on it, thus absolving me of any responsibility of your actions. |
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Posted - 2014.03.31 07:23:00 -
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Have Ripard Teg and Sohkar been banned yet? |
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Posted - 2014.03.31 07:59:00 -
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No one should be banned. That is the point. the only reason anyone is banned is because CCP was getting bad press.
The Bonus Room wasn't a problem a year ago. CCP Knew about it. Why is it suddenly a problem now. Answer bad press in the MMO community. Thanks Ripard Teg.
Its just like when Mittani got banned...oh wait no it isn't Erotica1 has never told this community to troll someone until they commit suicide.
The only reason someone was banned was because CCP took some heat. That is it, that is all. If Ripard never wrote his blog, and this didn't become an issue in the MMO community, then it would have been business as usual, just as it has been for over a year. |
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Posted - 2014.04.01 17:15:00 -
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You folks need to get of the Erotica1 ****. Whats done is done. The issue is what precedent CCP has established.
Which is cave to mob mentality. |
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Posted - 2014.04.03 00:14:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:What effect would non justifiable acts like you mentioned have on the perception of EvE by its player base, on the notion of 'sandbox'? I think this thread is a great example of how 99% of the playerbase either doesn't care or is happy with their "non-justifiable acts". Look, you agreed to the EULA. No one forced you to. Why did you agree if you now want to retroactively complain about the terms you choose freely? Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Carebear pansies don't care about 'sandbox', they want bubble-wrap-theme-park, but I assure you many players DO care and its why we are (still) here, fighting for it. If by many you mean less than 10 people, ok. Keep tilting at windmills.
I think you are greatly missing the overall points being made.
To sit back in November and say everything is ok, only to change your position a few months later amidst a witch hunt doesn't seem very consistent. If the bonus room is truly a den of evil, then why was it not dealt with back in November? Or heck even in February when this particular incident first surfaced.
I am all for people getting disciplined when they step across the line. But there needs to be at least some semblance of consistency. This particular case screams appeasing mob mentality.
And frankly I don't care if you agree with the ban or not, catering to the mob is never a good reason to issue discipline to a player. If you want a "clean" community, then you need to be consistent with your actions, not arbitrarily ban people based on the number of people shouting at you to do it, or the mediums which they use to express outrage. |
Mario Putzo
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Posted - 2014.04.03 22:28:00 -
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Lucas Kell speaks the truth.
The "flip flop" by CCP is what is on trial here, not the ban of Erotica1.
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